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allrude
· 6 months ago
a shame that this idea will go the same way as your previous proposals,i vote Brain for President
Brian Teeman
· 6 months ago
Just because it is me saying it doesn't stop it being a good idea ;)
I've already received some great feedback privately
Neri
· 6 months ago
I recommended an association type membership (similar to Drupal) in the forums, some time ago.. Your post is exactly what I had envisioned. I agree that this type of model would help bring the support Joomla needs to flourish. Thank you for your support of the Joomla project through the years.
Brian Teeman
· 6 months ago
As I explained at the end of my blog post there are a few legal issues with it being a Membership system and that's why I called it a "Supporters Club" or "Fan club"
Lawrence Meckan
· 6 months ago
It seems an echo of history, but wasn't Peter Lamont attempting to do something similar with the Mambo Badge thingamajig during the first Foundation / fork to Joomla ?
Badges for relevance and visibility, not exactly levels, but there were rumours benefits were being given (both ways, to the Foundation and to those who advocated it).
Brian Teeman
· 6 months ago
No Lawrence this is completely different. You really need to put the past behind you and move on.
Lawrence Meckan
· 5 months ago
Brian, somewhere wires got crossed. I mentioned about PL's badge system for Mambo. Little confused as to how this equates to "put the past behind you and move on" ?
Helio
· 6 months ago
Hi Brian,
I think it's a great idea. We should be able to contribute in a more active way into Joomla. I've been around for a a couple of year, although I haven't been very active. I've tried a couple of weeks ago to join a Joomla Working Group to be more active in the community and help with documentation or any other help needed to Joomla but I wasn't able to find how.
It is very hard to give our contribution to Joomla, looks like they don't want help, the site is not very clear. Why not simply put a form in the website, you sign in, you select in which group you would like participate and they get in touch with you.
This would although solve only money issues, at least it would help, but there are other issues that need to be solved. In my point of view, Joomla website needs a redesign, it lacks usability, a clear way to give our contribution and a real community where members can interact together.
How about some thing like get satisfaction and uservoice? Shouldn't the members contribute with ideas and suggestions for the next features to appear in the next releases? I would gladly play an annual fee to become a Joomla Member. As you said in your last post "How much Joomla costs" Joomla does not cost nothing, although we get if for free. So if we want a great product why not participate in his journey to success.
Daniel Chapman
· 6 months ago
Great idea Brian. I suggested exactly this sort of thing for Mambo as an income generator when I was the VP. Let's hope you have more luck getting yours adopted.
marcusnelson
· 6 months ago
@Helio -- Someone from Joomla created an official UserVoice page a few months back: http://joomla.uservoice.com/ but it does not appear that they are actively using our service. If you would like to request their support for this service, please email: social [at ] joomla org
Thank you,
Marcus
Helio
· 6 months ago
Hi Marcus,
Thank you for your reply. It's shad they are not using your services. I believe it is a great product and a great way to get users feedback but in order it to work they need to advertise the service and need to update it and let know members which features they are implementing in the next release.
Let's hope they will use it more in the future.
Brian Teeman
· 6 months ago
Nice to see you here Marcus. Looks like your uservoice service was only used for a specific joomla event.
marcusnelson
· 6 months ago
@brianteeman - Good to be here - Not sure what the immediate use was for, but it was inferred that it was going to be something more long term, oh well. :)
@Helio - At least they know we're here. There's been some good integration recently with a UserVoice module for Joomla, especially Single Sign On -- check it out here: http://bit.ly/wWEFo We're pleased to be a part of the open-source community and can hope to be as much a part of Joomla as we are now with http://rails.uservoice.com and http://openid.uservoice.com
Bonnie the Web Designer
· 6 months ago
Wow, I think this is an excellent idea! What a great way to show support and give back to the project. I hope they pick up the idea.
sgorney
· 6 months ago
I think it is a great idea. s-go Consulting can be counted on as a charter supporter for this concept.
Sankesolutions
· 6 months ago
Nice idea Brian, but whats a "Supporters Cub" ? Is that like a special gift when you join the club, sounds even better now :)
(Last sentence in square brackets about OSM etc)
Brian Teeman
· 6 months ago
There is always someone who finds the typo. Congratulations you win the prize.
Hils
· 6 months ago
Some thoughts. Although I am beginning to be concerned that great and sometimes critical information about Joomla! is only easily available on third party Joomla! Blogs and Twitter, the idea of a Supporters Club is excellent.
The very concept - 'we support Joomla!' - means that it doesn't have to be organized and run by Joomla!. So why can't this just be set up without waiting for officialdom? Would any organization say no to money which regularly arrived in the form of a donation from effectively a third party? I realize the ramifications of that - what percentage of money goes to admin, who runs it, who hosts it, how could donors communicate... but even with those hurdles it might be quicker and easier to do 'stand alone'.
Hils
Brian Teeman
· 6 months ago
You definitely have a valid point Hilary and it is definitely something I considered. However I believe that it would have to be "offiicially" run for two main reasons. Firstly tax/legal, there would be tax/legal costs involved and these would be minimized by using OSM's existing advisors. Secondly for the "Supporters Club" to have real meaning it requires the JSO web site for listing purposes. I believe that savvy domain owners will realise that a listing anywhere on a joomla.org domain is worth the Supporters Club money and some people will join on that basis.
Hils
· 6 months ago
Good points! On that basis then, let's hope that this idea 'runs' and that it is openly discussed and considered within the new Joomla! setup. It would be great if this didn't turn into just another Joomla! Community suggestion that was considered and discarded behind closed doors as were Community suggestions in the past eg the name of the new Mambo!
Brian Teeman
· 6 months ago
Don't get me started on the trials and tribulations involved in chosing the name. That's not a blog post it's an entire novel. And a 700 page one at that.
J. Arnold Wender
· 6 months ago
The Supporters Club is a great idea, i had an idea too while reading Mr. Brian Teeman Blog´s Article How much does joomla cost?
Here it is:
Joomla! could easily create an official club where the Core Team and SOC students could develop add-ons requested by the community...
* In order to participate in the club and be able to download add-ons, the user would need to purchase a club membership offered in all kind of flavours * Te system could be something like user voice, where requests that have the most votes will be started, higher membership levels have heavier vote priorities
I think by having something like this Joomla! win money and in the same time Joomla! would be releasing new features in the core and new add-ons that comply with Joomla! License because the extensions would be released as a GPL extensions, and the users could get rid of commercial encoded extensions, etc.
Like i said..it´s an idea, a little community brainstorming and this idea could be realized.
Cheers
Arnold
P.S: Sorry for my English :D, hope you don´t get headaches...
All Comments
I've already received some great feedback privately
Badges for relevance and visibility, not exactly levels, but there were rumours benefits were being given (both ways, to the Foundation and to those who advocated it).
I think it's a great idea. We should be able to contribute in a more active way into Joomla. I've been around for a a couple of year, although I haven't been very active. I've tried a couple of weeks ago to join a Joomla Working Group to be more active in the community and help with documentation or any other help needed to Joomla but I wasn't able to find how.
It is very hard to give our contribution to Joomla, looks like they don't want help, the site is not very clear. Why not simply put a form in the website, you sign in, you select in which group you would like participate and they get in touch with you.
This would although solve only money issues, at least it would help, but there are other issues that need to be solved. In my point of view, Joomla website needs a redesign, it lacks usability, a clear way to give our contribution and a real community where members can interact together.
How about some thing like get satisfaction and uservoice? Shouldn't the members contribute with ideas and suggestions for the next features to appear in the next releases?
I would gladly play an annual fee to become a Joomla Member. As you said in your last post "How much Joomla costs" Joomla does not cost nothing, although we get if for free. So if we want a great product why not participate in his journey to success.
Someone from Joomla created an official UserVoice page a few months back: http://joomla.uservoice.com/ but it does not appear that they are actively using our service. If you would like to request their support for this service, please email: social [at ] joomla org
Thank you,
Marcus
Thank you for your reply. It's shad they are not using your services. I believe it is a great product and a great way to get users feedback but in order it to work they need to advertise the service and need to update it and let know members which features they are implementing in the next release.
Let's hope they will use it more in the future.
Good to be here - Not sure what the immediate use was for, but it was inferred that it was going to be something more long term, oh well. :)
@Helio -
At least they know we're here. There's been some good integration recently with a UserVoice module for Joomla, especially Single Sign On -- check it out here: http://bit.ly/wWEFo We're pleased to be a part of the open-source community and can hope to be as much a part of Joomla as we are now with http://rails.uservoice.com and http://openid.uservoice.com
(Last sentence in square brackets about OSM etc)
The very concept - 'we support Joomla!' - means that it doesn't have to be organized and run by Joomla!. So why can't this just be set up without waiting for officialdom? Would any organization say no to money which regularly arrived in the form of a donation from effectively a third party? I realize the ramifications of that - what percentage of money goes to admin, who runs it, who hosts it, how could donors communicate... but even with those hurdles it might be quicker and easier to do 'stand alone'.
Hils
Here it is:
Joomla! could easily create an official club where the Core Team and SOC students could develop add-ons requested by the community...
* In order to participate in the club and be able to download add-ons, the user would need to purchase a club membership offered in all kind of flavours
* Te system could be something like user voice, where requests that have the most votes will be started, higher membership levels have heavier vote priorities
I think by having something like this Joomla! win money and in the same time Joomla! would be releasing new features in the core and new add-ons that comply with Joomla! License because the extensions would be released as a GPL extensions, and the users could get rid of commercial encoded extensions, etc.
Like i said..it´s an idea, a little community brainstorming and this idea could be realized.
Cheers
Arnold
P.S: Sorry for my English :D, hope you don´t get headaches...